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Ham-Policy Digest           Tue,  2 Nov 93       Volume 93 : Issue  410

Today's Topics:
                      End-It All Now, Please ...
       Excuuuuuse me! (was Re: Homonauseated [was: GAY & QST])
               Getting my license. Do I want to be lik
                     Morris protesters in England
            What if Novice/Tech+ got a 80m phone subband?

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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 21:00:36 GMT
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!linac!att!cbnewsm![e-mail]
Subject: End-It All Now, Please ...
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Pat Wilson) writes:
>Andy, the only thing I can tell you is that I had and still have a real
>problem just using a computer or just using code tapes.  I actually made
>up my mind to practice ON THE AIR.  I did not listen to tapes (tried
>though), did not practive with SuperMorse, Morse Academy, (ditto).
>
>I just hooked up the HF rig and went to 40 and 80 meters and made two
>contacts per day.  EVERY DAY.  Took about 10 minutes and I finally
>passed them all.  Us old farts learn more slowly (48) and this was my
>only solution.

I passed my 5 wpm after a couple of weeks of practice and when I tried
the same thing with 13 wpm I failed the code test badly. After I got
over the shock I got on the air and started doing at least 2 CW QSOs
a night. Now here's a new concept, doing CW on the air! What a shock
that actually using it would make it one good at it! I also used
Super Morse to help out too. In a month's time I was up to 17 wpm and
passed my 13 wpm on the next try. However a couple of things happened
after I got to this point. I enjoyed my CW contacts alot and it dawned
on me that if I used CW after that point I should easily pass my Extra
CW test not to much later. So I kept it up and passed my 20 wpm when I
took my Advanced test. 2 weeks later I passed my Extra written test.
It took me 1 year to go from Novice to Extra using this method. The
secret is to GET ON THE AIR AND ACTUALLY USE CW! For some reason this
seems to not be obvious to most people. That is what the Novice CW
subands are for. No one will laugh or make fun of you if you have a
hard time with CW. I know because I really, really stunk when I first
got on the air and no one was rude to me there! In fact that's where I
had my first CW DX contact. So once again GET ON THE AIR AND USE IT!!!


>The written, on the other hand, was easy as pie.

Agreed!

73 and good luck!

Jeff
--
 Jeff Jones  AB6MB         |  OPPOSE THE NORTH AMERICAN FREE TRADE AGREEMENT!
 [e-mail]   |  Canada/USA Free Trade cost Canada 400,000 jobs.
 Infolinc BBS 510-778-5929 |  Want to guess how many we'll lose to Mexico?

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Date: 1 Nov 1993 21:39:11 GMT
From: koriel!newscast.West.Sun.COM!abyss.West.Sun.COM!sunspot![e-mail]
Subject: Excuuuuuse me! (was Re: Homonauseated [was: GAY & QST])
To: [e-mail]

In article [e-mail], [e-mail] (Rajiv Dewan) writes:
>In article <rcrw90-011193102150@node_142cf.aieg.mot.com>,
>Mike Waters <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>>"Being" gay is a state of existance.  According to the research I read the
>>evidence points to a genetic "cause" since homosexuality is strongly family
>>related.
>>
>
>This line of reasoning does not help your argument.  After all, a lot of
>learning takes place in the family.  Hence, it could just as well be learned
>behavior.
>
>>Certainly there are people who have zero interest in "gay sex" while there
>>are others who have zero interest in anything else!  I would hardly see
>>that as a "choice" or a "behaviour".
>
>Why ever not?


Please!  This is rec.radio.amateur.policy.  If people want to discuss
homosexuality, great, but there are better newsgroups.  This thread
is no longer related to radio...

If you folks want to hash out the subject, wonderful, but the entire
intent of newsgroups is to segregate discussions on a topical basis.

Try alt.sex, or alt.motss, or alt.sex.wizards, or some other group.

---
 * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ, DoD 466 | Views expressed here are *
 * [phone]   | mine and do not necessarily *
 * [e-mail] | reflect those of my employer *
 * This Extra supports the abolition of the 13 and 20 WPM tests *

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Date: 1 Nov 1993 21:10:23 GMT
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!casbah.acns.nwu.edu![e-mail]
Subject: Getting my license. Do I want to be lik
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>,
Dan P. Trainor <[e-mail]> wrote:
>2 meters is a lost cause...  Why don't we just give it away as another
>CB band and increase the license requirements for the rest of the
>spectrum....
>
>- Dan

How did you arrive at this ingenious conclusion, Dan?

I just returned from San Diego, California.  On business trips I always
bring along my 2 meter HT and talk to the local folks.  On this trip I
heard NO bad operating, even though this area of the country is reputed to
be rampant with it.

In addition, I was highly impressed by the number of emergency nets and
arson watch nets that were active until the wee hours of the morning when I
could no longer keep my eyes (or ears) open.

Does this sound like the "lost cause" that you were referring to, Dan?

Greg Lapin KD9AZ

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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 21:16:28 GMT
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!linac!att!cbnewsm![e-mail]
Subject: Morris protesters in England
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeff Herman) writes:
>Gang,
>   It seems that England is trying to do away with Morris; hundreds are
>protesting. Here's the story right off the UPI newsfeed:
>
> LONDON (UPI) -- Hundreds of Morris dancers staged a rally in central
>London Saturday protesting against the government's planned abolition of
>a public holiday they consider to be a unique part of England's history.
> The May Bank holiday dates back to the mediaeval ages when May Day
>was used for great festivities. People would dance around a maypole set
>up in towns and villages around the country. The dances became
>associated with Morris dances, which were usually danced by five men and
>a boy dressed as a girl, called Maid Marian from Robin Hood folklore.

Interesting bit of news but what has this got to do with Amateur Radio?

Jeff
--
 Jeff Jones  AB6MB         |  OPPOSE THE NORTH AMERICAN FREE TRADE AGREEMENT!
 [e-mail]   |  Canada/USA Free Trade cost Canada 400,000 jobs.
 Infolinc BBS 510-778-5929 |  Want to guess how many we'll lose to Mexico?

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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 21:13:46 GMT
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!linac!att!cbnewsm![e-mail]
Subject: What if Novice/Tech+ got a 80m phone subband?
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Robert) writes:
>[e-mail] (Kevin Anderson -7325) writes:
>
>> What if, in addition to the current Novice/Tech+ HF subbands,
>> a 50 khz subband, say 3850-3900 or 3900-3950 was made available?
>> That way, in addition to DX SSB possibilities on 10m, which are
>> nice for daytime/summertime ops, one could also have a winter-time
>> option for phone.

The problem with this is that you are slowly eroding the incentive to
upgrade as increasing the bandwidth makes the drive to move up a lot
less.

>Why? If a Novice/Tech wants phone, all he has to do is upgrade to General
>class? Problem solved.

Good point there.

73!

Jeff
--
 Jeff Jones  AB6MB         |  OPPOSE THE NORTH AMERICAN FREE TRADE AGREEMENT!
 [e-mail]   |  Canada/USA Free Trade cost Canada 400,000 jobs.
 Infolinc BBS 510-778-5929 |  Want to guess how many we'll lose to Mexico?

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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1993 11:01:24 -0700
From: ftpbox!mothost!schbbs!node_142cf.aieg.mot.com![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>ieg
Subject : Re: Homonauseated (was: GAY & QST)

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Jeff Herman) wrote:


> If they're so `educated' Jon, then why are they still having sex in the toilet
> stalls on campus? With complete strangers, yet! (Note that this is not a
> small campus: 25,000 students).

Do you speak from personal experience here or is this just a rumor?

> Right. Access to needed health care. That's exactly what will be necessary
> from that type of lifestyle. And the rest of us will have to foot the bill
> for their care. Research money that should be going to help prevent passive
> diseases (cancer, m.s., heart disease, et cetera) will instead have to be
> split to help prevent the active disease associated with this lifestyle
> you so wish to partake in. Have sex with whoever you want, Jon, but what-
> ever disease you get from it, please pay your own medical bills.

I guess we will have to include smokers, overweight and out of shape people
in this class too!

I strongly object to the view that AIDS victims are somehow "authors of
their own misfortune" and should simply be ignored on that basis.  Not only
does this view ignore the facts and the history of the disease, such a
policy amounts to genoicide as ugly as anything the Nazis dreamed up.

I would suggest you look to Africa where the disease started (about 10
years before a group of gay men in the US were infected).  In several
countries essentially every adult between puberty and 40 years old is
infected.  I know of no reason why this disease won't follow the same
pattern in the US.  According to the AIDS conferences that is exactly what
is happening.

Treat AIDS as a disease not a cheap and confused morality statement.

--
Mike Waters  [e-mail]  [e-mail]

BOBS BEST BENT WIRE SK

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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 20:30:00 GMT
From: news.Hawaii.Edu!uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>
Subject : Re: Homonauseated (was: GAY & QST)

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (edwin.m.schaefer) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeff Herman) writes:
>>..............................some deleted
>>
>>If they're so `educated' Jon, then why are they still having sex in the toilet
>>stalls on campus? With complete strangers, yet! (Note that this is not a
>>small campus: 25,000 students).
>
>Wow - seems like you spend a lot of time on on "rest room  patrol"  keeping
>track  of  what people do.  Fascinating is it?  Must be interesting to walk
>up to a toilet stall, peep inside to see who is doing what there, and  then
>ask "are you two complete strangers, or have you been properly introduced?"
>And what do you say to someone who is  defecating?   "Hi  there,  I'm  just
>looking  for some homosexuals so I can tell people all about the nauseating
>things they do!"

Ed, you are so out of touch with what goes on on campuses today (or at least
this campus); our campus police have to periodically conduct `raids' in
the restrooms and arrest these guys; no need to `peep' - the activities are
reported in the student newspaper. Strangers? Well, the walls contain messages
such as `looking for 18-20 year old Japanese - be here at 3:30 of Friday - tap
your feet - I'll be in next stall'.

Trying to defend this behavior, Ed? There is no defense.


>
>>>>I hope he gets the facts before he gets f***ed!
>>>
>>>Amen. Having the facts is what it's all about, and then access to needed health
>>>care without prejudice or unfair discrimination.
>>
>>Right. Access to needed health care. That's exactly what will be necessary
>>from that type of lifestyle. And the rest of us will have to foot the bill
>>for their care. Research money that should be going to help prevent passive
>>diseases (cancer, m.s., heart disease, et cetera) will instead have to be
>
>Yeah. Right. That's why we hear all the promotions about how  we  shouldn't
>smoke  lest  we get lung cancer or heart disease, shouldn't eat (red) meat,
>etc.  shouldn't drink, should wear a helmet when cycling, ad nauseam. These
>have nothing to do with "lifestyle?"
>
>>split to help prevent the active disease associated with this lifestyle
>>you so wish to partake in. Have sex with whoever you want, Jon, but what-
>>ever disease you get from it, please pay your own medical bills.
>>
>>Jeff NH6IL
>
>And why should _any_ group be singled out and told "pay  your  own  medical
>bills"  when  we are all to be taxed to pay for _universal_ care?  Outright
>bigotry.  Just like refusing to handle LARC advertisements.
>
>73
>--
>Ed Schaefer                  K9JMA ham radio           N97178 aviation

Anyone  who knowingly continues to partake in a dangerous activity should
not expect handouts, when he result of that activity becomes a burden on
the rest of society.  Call it bigotry if you like; I call it `higher insurance
premiums' for that person engaging in that activity.

Jeff NH6IL

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Date: 1 Nov 1993 20:38:04 GMT
From: pa.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!smaug.enet.dec.com![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <[e-mail]>, <rcrw90-011193100520@node_142cf.aieg.mot.com>, <2b3rga$[e-mail]>
Reply-To : [e-mail] ()
Subject : Re: THE argument for CW requirements (was: End-It All Now, Please ..


>>Pardon me.  What elite??? There is no secret.  Learn the code, which
>>BTW is completely under your control, and get the privileges.  If you
>>cannot do so because of a handicap then the FCC has already provided a
>>safety net.  Why do you begrudge extra privileges for people who work for it.
>>The whole American system is based on the ethic of working for what you want.

The American system USED to be based on that, now its based on your god given
right to have anything you want because someone else has it...

If you don't get it, sue the person who has it.

-Al (who's tongue is far within his cheek)
--
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These comments are my own and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of
Digital Equipment Corporation.

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